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No Celebrities

Pursuant to a discussion with Vox, as well as a comment he made on his site, we should, at present, abstain from listing celebrities. There might be a celebrity section in the future, but for now, I will take those names down. SteelPalm (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2016 (PDT)

Mission statement

Leave it alone. Vox made it clear on Twitter to Milo that the official purpose of the list is to help SJWs find employment with SJW-friendly organizations. Take it up with him.07:25, 10 April 2016 (PDT)

That wasn't me, but I'd trust Vox and Milo to know what they're doing in the middle of a shitstorm. Lee (talk) 03:52, 10 April 2016 (EST)

It is very important to abide by the Mission Statement. Ask Vox why if you don't understand why, don't discuss it here. SJW Hunter (talk) 01:04, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

People are having trouble with the aliases

I've moved the aliases page to a subheading on the main page. This seems appropriate to me because a lot of people will be using Ctrl-F. Lee (talk) 10:15, 10 April 2016 (EST)

Main page is now locked

We're not unlocking the main page to anyone else. The expected vandals have shown up. Add the pages, the admins will see them and add them to the main list. We don't want lots of people editing the main page.

Backups

We need backups and distribution for hardening. Tim Chevalier is already trying to get the ISP to take the whole thing down. Weird, we're just praising his commitment to social justice so similarly minded employers can find him more easily.

I don't know how to do this myself so please tap your IT buddies for quick solutions.

Admin, do you have this thing backed up? I've downloaded snapshots with HTTrack every few hours but these are HTML files and it will be a pain to manually enter everything again with formatting and links. Lee (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2016 (EST)

I've moved the site to another host and put it behind CloudFlare. I'm making a backup of the DB right now. Admin 15:14, 10 April 2016 (EST)

Categorization

Currently active categories (add as needed) Converged professions: Academic Journalist

Partially converged professions: Software Development

Actions: Code of Conduct GamerGate LambdaConf signatory Twitter Trust and Safety Council

TODO: we need these categories listed somewhere on the front page, IMO. Sjslayer (talk)

NOTE: I tried working on this, but the page is protected. Please consider white-listing me. Sjslayer (talk)

List of purgees / method of purge

We should list victims of purges and how they were operated on:

  • Matt Taylor for wearing a shirt with women
  • Tim Hunt for making a joke about 'crying women'
  • Brendan Eich for donating to a political campaign about gay marriage
  • Curtis Yarvin for raising politically-incorrect philosophical questions in his unrelated writings (black-balled from from StrangeLoop, but not LambdaConf).

The megapost on Handle's Haus is linked at the bottom. Lee (talk) 1:56, 10 April 2016 (EST)

(Archived version here.)

Multiple Columns?

Can we use multiple columns on the persons list? The list has gotten long, and would be more information-dense with multiple columns if possible.

Ok, I actually got this to work. There is an example at the bottom of the unofficial list. Please check it and see what you think. --WerePuppy (talk) 18:20, 12 April 2016 (PDT)

A way to remove people who renounce their intolerant actions / beliefs.

A lot of engineers are just unaware of the untenability of their position, and will probably come around to a more tolerant view in time.

What will be the process of updating or removing their name from this list? Sjslayer (talk)

If they made their bones, they can't take it back. If they just signed a petition or showed up at a protest or piled on in a two-minutes hate, they did that publicly, I would support removing them if they publicly recant their hatred and intolerance Peppermint (talk) 12:15, 10 April 2016 (PDT)

LambdaConf signatures

https://statement-on-lambdaconf.github.io/

Admin or WerePuppy please mass add the new names to the main page.

Lee (talk) 3:56, 10 April 2016 (EST)

UPDATE: SJWs in tech are going to catch on eventually and try to poison this list. The organizers will double-down, but it looks like they don't really look closely at the incoming signatures, so trolls can start putting false names in there. I suggest that after tonight, we consider that well poisoned. Lee (talk) 7:12, 10 April 2016 (EST)

Agreed, as it's the early-adopters who signed who are most likely to be the real malicious SJWs anyways. Besides, too many names could water this list down as well. Sjslayer (talk)

Agreed. The point has been made. We also might want to consider locking individual pages to prevent vandalism. I've seen at least one case I suspect being the SJW in question trying to obscure his identity. SJW Hunter (talk) 01:02, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

I've seen that too, all LambdaConf signatory pages are now locked. Lee (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2016 (EST)

Public Profiles/Social Media accounts

What's the policy on linking/referencing to an SJW's social media accounts within their articles? For example, would it be acceptable to link to the Linkedin profiles of the LambdaConf signatories? User:Coigrelk

I personally think a link to the linkedin of someone who is trying to hurt another person's career is justified, but that's just me. Sjslayer (talk)

1) It's public, 2) it's objective, and 3) it's useful to the people using the site. However, we'd have to be very careful about false positives, so I don't think that should be done at this stage. There's plenty of cleanup still needs doing. -Lee

Helpful Information -

Tips on formatting - https://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiFormatting

Tips for Admins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators/Tools

Many garbage articles created by ScroogeMcCuck97 require deletion

This user created quite a few articles which are still up - adding many as 'LambdaConf signatories' - which need deletion. See his contribs here - Special:Contributions/ScroogeMcCuck97.

User:Coigrelk.

Can class all articles created by/edits by Special:Contributions/Junjothewonderdog to the above as well - was frequently working with the 'ScroogMcCuck' accounts to vandalise and create garbage articles.
Uer:Coigrelk

I spent much of my time last night clearing those two garbage up. I being Were-Puppy :P

Thanks for the heads-up; deleting his entries now.SteelPalm (talk) 10:09, 11 April 2016 (PDT)
And...done! I've gotten rid of all the fake pages he created now as well as others he contributed to. Let me know if I missed reverting one of his edits that is still up. SteelPalm (talk) 10:39, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

I checked all LambdaConf pages individually last night and locked them. Shouldn't be any more trouble within that category as of 5 AM. Lee (talk) 15:38, 11 April 2016 (EST)

Ben Shapiro

I've removed Ben Shapiro from the list. His page is still there, so we can add it later if he does something that clearly places him as an SJW. He has clearly called for disemployment of "racists", but he has not advocated for Social Justice at all. Even his white-knighting for Fields is more of an indication as a Cuckservative, not an SJW. I had put him in another section, but the page was getting even more cluttered, so I just removed him. - Admin

Likely for the best. When I showed this list to folks on social media, the main question I got, without fail, was "why is Ben Shapiro on there?" It became annoying after a while. Admittedly, he has called for punishing and unemploying those with different beliefs, in this case "racists", which is the hallmark of inclusion for SJWs. But yes, probably more of a cuckservative. SteelPalm (talk) 10:44, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

Vox thinks he should be on it and I agree. Unless someone rebuts his argument or hands down an executive order to the contrary I'll be putting him back on the main page tomorrow. Lee (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2016 (EST)

Vox's reasoning is the same as mine and Admin's. Vox says he doesn't think of Ben as an actual SJW, but that his quote makes his inclusion defensible. I agree. However, the irritating aspect is that a lot of sympathetic readers, EVEN some members of the alt right, see Shapiro's name on there and instantly question the validity of the list. As Vox also noted, if one needs to defend a name's inclusion at length, it probably shouldn't be there. It's not so simple, unfortunately. SteelPalm (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

I don't care one way or the other. But it seems that people like to discuss it, and since the discussion creates more awareness, how does it hurt? He clearly fits the criteria. SJW Hunter (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

I don't personally think he is an SJW, but that quote fits the criteria for this site. Also, being part of a point and shriek (against the Trump campaign manager) kind of SJWish, but Cucks do that too. --WerePuppy (talk) 18:24, 12 April 2016 (PDT)

Proposed Pipeline

(This has been e-mailed to Vox.)

1. Users with "autoconfirmed" accounts can submit names and pages to The Unofficial List of SJWs

(The criteria for autoconfirmation doesn't need to be strict because this will not be linked from the main page. We can add very clear disclaimers saying people on this list have only been "flagged by anonymous contributors".)

2. Admin reads through the submissions to find those that meet the standards of the Style Guide.

3. IMPORTANT: Admin locks the SJW's page.

4. Admin adds the name to the list on the main page (and aliases).

This is already functional, we would only need to change the protections on the unofficial page and get some contributors signed up.

Lee (talk) 18:24, 11 April 2016 (EST)

I suggest we ask for a volunteer autoconfirmed contributor to create an e-mail address specifically for taking submissions from the world at large.

Lee (talk) 18:30, 11 April 2016 (EST)

Where is all the information I put here from the topics at VP?

I spent a lot of time going through doing that.

It's over here [1]. It's confusing when you don't sign your name to stuff WerePuppy. Lee (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2016 (EST)

Ok, I just figured how to do that a while ago --WerePuppy (talk) 15:55, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

Me too, nothing personal. Lee (talk) 18:57, 11 April 2016 (EST)

For that matter, I'd never edited a wiki page before Saturday. Suspect that's true for most of us. Lee (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2016 (EST)

sjslayer blocked

His heart is in the right place, but he doesn't respect the chain of command, reverted what an Admin had undone, then asked to have my Admin status revoked. We don't need that sort of undisciplined help.SJW Hunter (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2016 (PDT)

Phil Fish/Philippe Poisson

Fish's name was already added to the list, so I decided to write a description. However, while a hardcore SJW, I'm not certain he fits the very strict standards of this list, and was wondering what others thought. On the one hand, Fish/Poisson has made factually false allegations, such as calling supporters of GamerGate "rapists". And he has vowed to punish those who believe differently by canceling projects.

On the flip side, he has not called for any boycott or for anyone to be unemployed. What say you? SteelPalm (talk) 17:30, 12 April 2016 (PDT)

If he is vowing to cancel projects, that seems to fit the criteria. Isn't that a no platform, of a sort? If you have a link to that. It might be wise to ask Vox if you are not certain. --WerePuppy (talk) 18:18, 12 April 2016 (PDT)

Cancelling projects certainly does fit the definition. If he really said that, than including an archive of that would certainly count. Admin (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2016 (PDT)

Site security

Glad to see that the admins/bureaucrats have implemented a 'review first' policy on edits. Might I be re-added to the 'white list' of proven editors who can be trusted? It's 12 hours or so since I tried to create an article and Admins have yet to reappear to approve it - and there are several smaller edits (adding cats etc) which I would have performed in the meantime if I'd been able to. User:Coigrelk

After reviewing your edits, I am making you automoderated. Your edits will now bypass moderation. Admin (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2016 (PDT)

Wiki Information

I know many people here are new to wikis. This is the first one I've done much with and the only one I've had admin access to. Below are some resources from the official MediaWiki site to help you do editing, sign your name on talk pages (I just figured that out), and access the moderation system.

Admin (talk) 22:04, 18 April 2016 (PDT)

Keeping the List Sorted

Using Python 3 for the casefold and isalpha methods. stuff the list into a file clsj and run this script in the same directory, or figure out how to take it from stdin or something I dunno

  1. !/usr/bin/python3

sjl = [line[4:-3] for line in open("clsj")] sjkeyl = [] for sj in sjl:

 sjs = sj.split(' ')
 sjk = 
 if sjs[-2] in set(['van','Van','St']):
   sjk = sjs[-2]
 for letter in sjs[-1]:
   if letter.isalpha():
    sjk += letter
 sjk = sjk.casefold()
 firstnames = []
 for name in sjs[:-1]:
   nn = 
   for letter in name:
     if letter.isalpha():
       nn += letter
   firstnames.append(nn.casefold())
 sjkeyed = [sj,sjk]
 sjkeyed.extend(firstnames)
 sjkeyl.append(sjkeyed)

sjkeyl.sort(key=lambda x: x[1:])

for sj in sjkeyl:

 print("* [["+sj[0]+"]]")